immortalist assumption ( absurdist ) actual goal of increased longevity normal lifespan The immortalist assumption, which I have taken as a given for most of my life is absurd. It is youthful folly. Nonetheless, it is quite likely that I will live far longer than my cohort, the implication being that an extrapolation towards the immortalist assumption may not be absurd. What is the criteria for absurdity in this case? There are some obvious ones. no estate planning obsession with immortality Some of these mistakes can actually be counterproductive to the goal of increased longevity, but the question remains. Take supplements, as it were. I take more supplements than is rationally required to achieve the goal in a kind of shotgun approach. The justifacation for this approach is the perception that waiting for a better solution will only result in failure to achieve the goal. This kind of thinking can be taken to extremes which are counterproductive. For example, maybe some of my supplements actually shorten life span, but in my zeal I take them without knowledge. This is only an example, and there are very many ways in which this tension plays out. Another example would be estate planning. An immortalist absurdly believes that he will live forever, and prepares with a perpetually regenerating fund. If he writes a will, it is based on the unfortunate fact that he might die accidentally. The decisions that are made in this matrix of tension and unknowledge are deeply colored by assumptions that are merely worldly. For example, the perpetual fund is seen as an inate value, and supplementation is an expression of consumption and wealth, the extreme expression of which would be cryonic suspension. They are all profoundly selfish pursuits. For contrast it is worth considering a more normative view. Life span is determined by the average, and accidents are accounted for by the actuarie. There is no need for a perpetual fund, because life span is defined, which frees funds for the present. Supplementation, if undertaken at all is for improvement of the quality of life, and it would not be a sacrifice in any way. A calculation would be made relative to comfort, wealth, and expected life span in order to determine the correct and rational level of supplementation. Every value is finite and defined. Extensive estate planning is crucial, because time of death is a virtual known. The normative view is limited by definition, and it has endured many generations. It is delineated by cultural experience and statistics, because the actual values are indeterminant, in that context. Self preservation is also an ancient value, and longevity pursuit uses the best current knowledge to extend life. Due to the expected exponential effect of life extension, the expected life span is vastly indeterminant, though finite. Thus an approach to the absurd immortalist position is consistent with the ancient value and pursuit of self preservation as well as the fact that the expected life span is far beyond the norm. In my mind this indicates that pursuit of a perpetual fund is worthwhile, and better than life insurance, as it were. The same argument is good for a rather extravagent use of supplements, as well as the more quotidian pursuits of exercise, healthy diet, and good sleep. The net effect is that the life extender is spending more on supplements, saving more, and trying to live a more frugal and healthy life than the norm; all of which seems to add up to a happy end point. The question remains as to how much effort should be diverted to unselfish pursuits. In the norm, a generous person can plan for a defined amount, but in life extension this is not the case, and more sacrifice is required to be unselfish in the present. In the long view, the life extender may do more good, if he is generous. Underlying this whole discourse is the question of how much effort should be diverted from worldly pursuits and banked on an afterlife. Relatedly, what is the relative value of the normative versus the extended contribution in the view that extends beyond death. It is a dance with the unknown, which is also perhaps less known to the life extender. I haven't gotten any closer to an answer with this discourse, although I continue to theorize that good done in the world is of greater worth. This theory would be supported by the idea that a greater measure of faith is clearly required to do good here amidst these vast unknowns, which are large compared to the most extended life span.